On Pat Robertson, Jesus, and His Followers
I mentioned this morning that "many people" have the impression that we -- Christians -- tend to be self-righteous and act like we know more than we actually do.

Fact is, I know many of those "many people". 

One of them is me.

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I don't know what Pat Robertson thinks, really. I do know there's a time of grief, a time to mourn, and a time to dance. Timing matters, and *when* we say something matters very much, not just what we say. I've learned that the hard way in my own life.

Does he think God is punishing Haiti? I don't know. He's an older guy, and I don't think he has the filters, sometimes, to think about what's appropriate to say. I struggle with that, too, but I think (based on family members I've witnessed) it gets harder through the years.

He doesn't represent my views. I'm very comfortable saying that. And God bless him. 

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And now back to the point: Whether he believes it or not, that Haiti's sickening natural disaster is caused by God because He wants to punish Haitians, some Christians *certainly* do. 

I have talked to them on the phone, and get them in my email. They let me know that I'm off-base. I've said we don't know the mind of God, we shouldn't act like our thoughts are His thoughts, and our ways His ways. But they think, well, I just haven't studied Haitian history then. Did I know they practice voodoo?

And they quote scripture to me. Out of context scripture, misapplied scripture, stripped-of-story scripture, all under the banner of, "This is what God thinks, your opinion doesn't matter," as if their very application of the scripture wasn't a function of their own fallible reason.

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Scripture is largely stories. There's a whole story, a whole book, about Job, and about what he didn't know. And his friends didn't know, either. Why are these bad things happening?

Job didn't know, and admitted it. He questioned God, but remained faithful. He was rewarded richly.

His friends didn't know, but thought they did. They thought they knew the mind of God. They flapped their mouths. They had reasonable-sounding religious answers. 

And they were fools.

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Humility is a wonderful thing. I learn it every day. 

Talking about "blessings in disguise": Working this radio job has taught me tons about humility. Messing up, routinely, is certainly part of that. But I learned that doing "secular" radio, too.

What's uniquely humbling, here, is seeing the ugliness of the flip-side. We get to see that the critique against American Christians -- the "you're self-righteous, you think you're better" stuff? -- we see that critique is based, in large part, in reality

That's humbling.

And, between you and me, it can hurt a person's faith. I've heard of that happening to people in ministry, seen it happening to people in ministry, many times. We have to take a step back, refocus on who JESUS is, and say, "Okay, that's what He's like. He's good. Really." 

"Really?" Really. Okay, but I need to hear the story again. I need to see the story again. 

God, I work in Christian ministry, and that means I need to see Jesus again.

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We need reminders, like John the Baptist did. And they reassured him, telling him that Jesus IS the one, because the blind were receiving sight, the lame were walking... things were being set right. 

That is what I need to see now, again. 

Maybe you do, too.
posted by Brant Hansen at 5:58 PM on January 14th, 2010
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Thank you, Brant. I appreciate this very much. That's all I'll say, because you said what I think.
Posted By Scott Eaton | January 14, 2010 @ 1:02
Brant, I was on my way to teach preschool this morning at a Christian Preschool in a Christian Church, listening to a Christian radio station and realized how little we "Christians" really get it sometimes.

I don't know if you considered that going to Pat Robertson was the biblical thing to do before you made your comments to find out, from him directly, what his comment really meant. I get it wrong probably more than I know, but I do not carry the responsibility you do which is the ability to impact so many lives in a split second. I was very sad that you were so quick to dismiss him along with the secular crazies who monopolize the media...you did qualify your comments and I appreciated that.

I am sending this comment to you to let you know that my heart was very heavy until Nikki made her remarks that I totally agreed with! I don't think Pat Robertson had any malice or intent of doing any harm to the people of Haiti. He seems a little "out there" to me at times, but, I appreciate his heart to feed, clothe, provide shelter, etc. for so many in this world who are hurting. His organizations are literally the hands and feet of Jesus to a hurting world!

I think the enemy, who is very real, would love nothing more than to keep the followers of Christ at odds with one another instead of coming together to pray and help the people of Haiti. Please don't allow him a foothold into your heart by being a divider.

I give Nikki big time praise for her comments that, at least for my heart, redirected the conversation to what really matters.

Please take my comments in the spirit in which they are meant. I love listening to your show on my way to school each morning I teach and I had a real burden for you this morning.

I actually switched the radio to 89.9 (KLOVE) after you guys were done talking about this and, Praise God, they were play Selah's song "You Raise Me Up" and that definitely lightened my heart.

Just know the huge responsibility you have each day ( as I do with my preschoolers), inspiring the hearts and minds of people who look to you as a source of light and hope.

Blessings and hugs,
peggie
Posted By Peggie | January 14, 2010 @ 4:56
Never heard your voice, Brother. But I hear your heart. Greetings from Europe!
"God, I work in Christian ministry and I need to see Jesus!"
That's it.
He's the only One who translates well! He works much better in German than I ever could and I've been serving Him over here for 18 years!
Keep it up. Or in other words, "don't weary in doing good."


Posted By Lisa | January 15, 2010 @ 1:05
Brant, I cannot express to you and your crew how much your show blesses my life! I listen every morning on the way to work with my 8 yr old son. He knows all the songs and sings along, it Rocks! Having said that, I just want to say that it takes Faith to realize that even when we cannot explain why bad things happen, to know that God is ultiamtely in charge. Sometimes my life sucks too, not too often tho. At times when things in my life don't turn out the way I expect them to, is when I need to take a step back and say "ok God, YOU are in charge, I don't need to understand everything right now, just that you are in control! Since you referenced John the Baptist, I will too...."I must decrease that HE might increase."

God Bless you Nikki and Pablo, I feel like I know you guys personally!

From Fort Campbell, KY

Raphael Camejo
Posted By Raphael Camejo | January 15, 2010 @ 6:40
Brant...you said that so very well. I feel as a Christian that I get so caught up in the "why" that I forget the "for who?"...JESUS!! If I just stay focused on Him and the cross..and it's harder than typing the words...then the "WHY" won't matter. But I can tell you that Jesus does want us to reach out to the Haitians...voodoo or not...they are us and we are them. Isn't that what Jesus did his whole life? He didn't reach out to those who already believed...he went after the sinners...the likes of me! My heart breaks for their devastation. I and my family will do whatever we can to help. Truthfully, my dream has been to adopt...and why not start here?? Have a blessed day to all of you!

Love and Blessings,

Judi
Posted By Judi | January 15, 2010 @ 7:33
Brant;

I have been thinking about the movie Avitar and how many leave depressed that they can't retain that feeling that they get from living vicariously in "pandora". It seems to me that what C.S.Lewis calls "glimpses of Glory" maybe sort of similliar to what they are experiencing. That little something that the Father placed in us all when HE created us that crying out for and/or that "instinctively knowing there is something better than what we have here. C.S. Lewis seem to think that the Trinity would show us glimpses sometimes of this "something better" and this glimpse would be something different to each of us, something that we could relate to where we are at that moment hope, where are.
Isn't this what he did with HIS SON, He sent him to where are so we could see where we really are in HIM. All this to say that those glimpses give me hope for times like this when I just don't understand how the Father could let this happen, especially over and over again to the same people. Without the longing for something better and the glimpse that I see of Who and how it might be I could never make it. I think that "pandora is that longing for something better than
the reality that thousands of people just died in a unexplainable event, and the pain within us that says there has got to bbe something better. I don't know if I have expressed myself clearly but I tried to.
Tim
Posted By Tim | January 15, 2010 @ 7:41
Hi Brant, I also feel that Pat Robertson's statements were a bit out of line. Haiti has been in dire straights for many many years, the poorest of the poor, and the world has not done all that it could to help the least of God's people. Now the entire world is focused on Haiti, money is pooring in, feet are on the ground and hands are reaching out. Odds are that as many people would have evenutally parished from hunger or disease but now Haiti has the hope and future that God intends for ALL his beloved creation. If what Mr. Robertson implies were the case about this catastrophe being a result of a nation's sin then the United States would have been in ruins long ago. Did God cause this - no, is He going to heal this - yes! He already is by quickening the hearts of His believers to jump into action. His mercies are new every morning, even in Haiti.
Posted By Sharon Miller | January 15, 2010 @ 10:25
II agree as Christians try and unite in a very sad event in Haiti, one stands out, Pat Robertson. Now those who do not know Jesus will say, "see why would I want to be part of that group." I think we pray for wisdom during these events. I struggle with thoughts that the government in Haiti is corrupt but all the people on that island are not. Many Christian missionaries are there sharing the good news of Jesus and some people may come to have a relationship with Him. I love that each morning you don't put on a self righteous point of view, you love Jesus and are not afraid to talk about that. Keep up the good work and give encouragement to your partners in faith, Nikki and Pablo; they are obviously lovers of Jesus as well. See ya Jesus Freak, man I love when people call me that!
Posted By Bill C | January 15, 2010 @ 2:24
You folks need to read and understand scripture more. It is evident that you Brant, and the other contributors so far, are not mature Christians. Indeed, we must help. But do not overlook the sins that are being committed. It is coming to the U.S too, so be warned. Look at what's happening in California, 911, Louisiana (voodoo), be warned!!
And yes, do your research on the history of Haiti - then make your remarks. Pat Robertson is right. Haitians themselves know this. But it isn't stopping CBN from helping - they were there even before the earthquake.
God does NOT tolerate sin.All these disasters are little judgments , before the final judgment,so that folks will turn to Christ. We are being warned.
Posted By emily | January 17, 2010 @ 12:46
Ya know, I think this find in Isreal is amazing. You could think of it as a remidner not to be desensitized. As you can imagine, there were horrific things in that time (10th century BC) as well. Who ever wrote this is taking dicipleship seriously and reminding his brothers and sisters of Gods exspectation. If you are desensitized now today....then do HIS work ...I promise God will evoke emotion and compassion from you. As well as taking pride in the fact we should love eachother for how God made us, you may not be desensitized, just strong and level headed. (which is nessary in tragedy) Dive in the sea of this world and enjoy the unexplored souls...for they are dying to be loved by HIM through YOU!
Posted By Mindy | January 18, 2010 @ 7:06
Brant, this morning you were talking about how awkward it is to try to be someone other than yourself. This article shows that you ARE aware that there are times to speak, and times to hold your tongue... times to mourn, times to laugh. You are great at being yourself, so keep being yourself! put down the book about how to make people happy with you in a social setting... That's not your job. Your job is to be yourself and be sensitive to who they are... but that doesn't mean you should make them happy with who you are. That's not your job! Thank you for making me feel human... as with you, I tend to use the wrong word, or share a little more than people want to hear, merely out of my excitement for the topic... I'd hate for you to change! That we leave me the odd man out! Thanks! -- and I used to know Pat Robertson -- great man, and human like the rest of us. But he just is not so concerned that people like him, more concerned that people are aware of the wages of sin.
Posted By Daniel C | January 18, 2010 @ 8:28
I recently gave a my cancer testimony to a church body. I was really nervous about giving my testimony....I had for days been rehearsing and when it was within the hour I drew a blank!

So I ran to a corner in one of the children's classroom's and prayed to God for direction, for His Spirit. And He sent me to John the Baptist!

How could this man, John THE baptist, having saw the Holy Spirit descend upon His Messiah, question if he really was the Messiah at all!?

I saw that God was showing me something two-fold. One that I could not testify about anything holy in my life without Him. And two: How so often us mature Christians pull a John the Baptist. Anytime we think we have arrived or that we SHOULD have arrived, we leave our Messiah behind.

Blessings
Posted By Shavon | January 26, 2010 @ 10:44
You are so right.
Posted By David Hodge | January 28, 2010 @ 5:42
I just read this on your site today,but I also used it as my status yesterday! Amazing

Your sister in Christ
Mic****e
Posted By MIC****E CLARK | January 28, 2010 @ 7:49
As Christians we are lead by our Faith in God's Light, regardless of how dark the moment gets...when we start judging and stop praying we turn out His Light...from my experience as a 50+ person whose been on this journey for a long time (Amen!) ..it is far more powerful to point out God's Mercy and Grace during perceived dark times,,,than label people involved...or condemn them... I will continue to pray for Pat Robertson...that he may use his job to witness and open the door to God's Light...and be careful to share about God's love and forgiveness...yes even for those who thought that voodoo was the ticket to happiness! I wonder if Pat realizes how many non-believers have used his comments to pad- lock their hearts from 'judgemental Christians', I've come across many over the years:~
Posted By KathyG | January 28, 2010 @ 9:54
What I find so interesting in all of this is that people forget that even if God did bring that devastation to Haiti, that it does not, in the slightest, change that God is good. He is good when bad things happen, He is good when good things happen...He is always good. We may not understand why He allows the things He allows in this world, but that should never change that He is always trustworthy, always faithful, and always good.
Posted By Jenn | January 29, 2010 @ 6:00
I do happen to think that God did this to wake Haiti up. The problem is that everyone needs to use love, common sense, and compassion in expressing this. This is what happens when a country gives it self to satan. The problem is that people need to pray for them rather than running their mouths!
Posted By Charlie | January 29, 2010 @ 6:43
Brant,
Do i find mysepf in agreement with you always? no, not hardly. However I agree with your heart. I thnik** that is truly wher we should all try to look. The church I am attending right now has put a billboard up, stating "church shouldn't suck". I hear other christians scorn the sight of it. Why? Whay are we so unrestrained as christians to throw the book at people. I often tell my younger family members to remember to check things with credible sources before believing them or takingt them into account. You we all could take a lesson from that when it comes to Jesus. When we decide to quote him maybe we should just tell the same story he did and get out of the way?? I beleive we can help people but only with a servant and loving heart, not with judgement and critique. As I told my younger cousin yesterday, Jesus in his travels was never condemming of the sinners, he was condemming of the "so-callded righteous" Pharises. So we must think hard and long to speak short and soft.

Here is my word to you, you are doing just fine. Keep on entertaining and try not to get caught up on religious debate. You make people laugh adn that is medicine to the soul. You bring people encouragement and that is medicine to the emotions. You bring people new sight of who we are as christians allowing a new door to be opened. Without judgement you can reach the lost.


Tiger, John Edwards, Pat Roberson, Me, you, Joel Osteen, Obama, Hillary

We are all the same imperfect inthe eyes of GOD, the quest is to be whole because we are covered with love in the blood.
Posted By David Hamill | January 29, 2010 @ 9:21
My teenage son was quilty of wearing way to much cologne. A respected friend from the church said "Brandon, you want to wear just enough that the girls get a hint of it and then want to get closer for another whiff " It worked very well for him
Posted By Laura | February 2, 2010 @ 7:15
Brant,

I have great respect for guys like you and Wally who have to engage the pious and judgemental of us, and I don't envy the amount of humility, patience, forgiveness and courage it takes to represent the truth IN LOVE. I pray you both never suc***b to responding to them in kind... you guys are my heroes for the culture you are engaging. Please don't let the loud few convince you that you are alone in the Christians fight to be counter cultural in this "Christian" country. Thank you for your work brother. Peace.

Travis McGinnis
Posted By Travis McGinnis | February 3, 2010 @ 10:38
thank you! Christians not getting along was a huge turn off for me. Fortunately I still believed and prayed for someone to help guide me and I was blessed with my husband! (plus you guys and wally of course) He has a few family members who are always throwing around scripture bits and confusing me but if he or I dont agree he will counter it and show how they are taking things out of context and expand to the truth of the story and support me (I have just started studying so I can easily be confused) to know that love is whats most important and all people are sinners...thank you
Posted By jeri | February 4, 2010 @ 7:40
Brant - Regarding Pat Robertson's comments "God is punishing Haiti", and Sean Penn's comments "God is bullying Haiti", and others who believe they are speaking on God's behalf, here is my belief (not that I am speaking for God). I believe that God sometimes allows suffering to happen to people, not because He is testing them, but because He is testing the rest of us to see if we will step up to the plate and help those who are suffering during their time of great need. I believe that God will have harsh words for those who sit back and judge or condemn God's other children. He loves all of us equally and expects all of us to "love thy neighbor as thyself" unconditionally, without judgment. It appears that most of the world is passing the test with flying colors, based on the humanity and compassion we have seen so far.
Posted By Kathleen | February 4, 2010 @ 6:07
Brant,

Whenever Christians claim God is punishing a city / country / people group etc through a natural (or manmade) disaster, I cannot help but think of the Tower of Siloam. "Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." Luke 13:1-5. Isn't the point Jesus is making is that the crowd to whom he was preaching was just as sinful as those who suffered tragedy? Isn't the point that, in light of a tragedy, I should realize the depth of my own sin? It seems our natural reaction is to somehow point out how much worse their sin is than ours.
Posted By Don Walker | February 8, 2010 @ 2:39
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